Official Luthiers Forum!

Owned and operated by Lance Kragenbrink
It is currently Sat Nov 23, 2024 5:58 pm


All times are UTC - 5 hours


Forum rules


Be nice, no cussin and enjoy!




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 20 posts ] 
Author Message
PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 4:12 pm 
Offline
Koa
Koa

Joined: Mon Oct 17, 2011 4:10 pm
Posts: 721
First name: Bob
Last Name: Gramann
City: Fredericksburg
State: VA
Zip/Postal Code: 22408
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Status: Professional
I started a Black Limba acoustic just because it had a pretty grain pattern. After I had the blocks glued to the rim, I bumped it against the table while moving it. I split and splintered such that I won’t be repairing it. On closer inspection, it was apparent that this wood doesn’t have much strength in the thicknesses we build with. I started to worry about the longevity of the completed guitar. Does anyone have any experience building acoustics with this wood? Is it strong enough in a completed guitar? I can get more sides and continue, but I wonder if I should. I don’t want to set a guitar loose that will crumble if it’s handled roughly.

This one was going to be one of my named series. (“Korina, Korina”)


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 4:30 pm 
Online
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:47 pm
Posts: 2519
First name: Jay
Last Name: De Rocher
City: Bothell
State: Washington
Taylor and Larivee, among others, have used black limba for acoustic guitars. Taylor has used it on multiple models. So maybe it was that particular piece of wood that was problematic.

_________________
Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right - Robert Hunter



These users thanked the author J De Rocher for the post: bobgramann (Tue Jul 09, 2024 6:11 pm)
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 5:46 pm 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood

Joined: Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:15 pm
Posts: 7378
First name: Ed
Last Name: Bond
City: Vancouver
Country: Canada
Focus: Build
Status: Professional
I’ve made a dozen or so with it without issue. It is very soft and light, and easy to dent. You can even crush the faceplate by tightening the tuner grommets too much. Very much in the warn spectrum tonally…



These users thanked the author meddlingfool for the post: bobgramann (Tue Jul 09, 2024 6:11 pm)
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 6:12 pm 
Offline
Koa
Koa

Joined: Mon Oct 17, 2011 4:10 pm
Posts: 721
First name: Bob
Last Name: Gramann
City: Fredericksburg
State: VA
Zip/Postal Code: 22408
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Status: Professional
Thank you. I will continue, then. First, I will get some more sides.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2024 8:29 am 
Offline
Walnut
Walnut

Joined: Wed Feb 04, 2015 12:22 pm
Posts: 14
First name: Matthew
Last Name: Dalton
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
I've built two with Black Limba, an OM and a OO. The OM was my first build, now 2 years old, and has had zero issues. It's not perfect, but that's definitely not the wood's fault! I actually really like the way it sounds. My 8th, just finished last month, is a OO I built to give my daughter for graduating high school. I had it on my bench while I attached the neck, and a shall-not-be-named member of my family bumped it. It fell, and the bass side split from the neck to the tail. The split was easy to cleat and seal (I was actually pretty happy with the repair job...my first of that nature), and I feel certain my failure to add side reinforcing strips of cloth (as I normally do) contributed to the length of the crack, so again, probably not the wood's fault?

That was a long way of saying I, a newb, like it and would definitely use it again.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2024 10:09 am 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jul 10, 2009 4:44 am
Posts: 5492
First name: colin
Last Name: north
Country: Scotland.
Focus: Build
Status: Semi-pro
I've heard said it's a drop in replacement for Mahogany and can make a really nice good sounding guitar.


You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.

_________________
The name catgut is confusing. There are two explanations for the mix up.

Catgut is an abbreviation of the word cattle gut. Gut strings are made from sheep or goat intestines, in the past even from horse, mule or donkey intestines.

Otherwise it could be from the word kitgut or kitstring. Kit meant fiddle, not kitten.



These users thanked the author Colin North for the post (total 3): Pmaj7 (Thu Jul 11, 2024 3:59 pm) • Treenewt (Thu Jul 11, 2024 11:44 am) • bcombs510 (Thu Jul 11, 2024 10:13 am)
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2024 11:44 am 
Offline
Walnut
Walnut

Joined: Wed Feb 04, 2015 12:22 pm
Posts: 14
First name: Matthew
Last Name: Dalton
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
Colin North wrote:
I've heard said it's a drop in replacement for Mahogany and can make a really nice good sounding guitar.


That is a BEAUTIFUL back!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2024 3:52 am 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jul 10, 2009 4:44 am
Posts: 5492
First name: colin
Last Name: north
Country: Scotland.
Focus: Build
Status: Semi-pro
Treenewt wrote:
Colin North wrote:
I've heard said it's a drop in replacement for Mahogany and can make a really nice good sounding guitar.


That is a BEAUTIFUL back!

Neck was quite nice too.


You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.

_________________
The name catgut is confusing. There are two explanations for the mix up.

Catgut is an abbreviation of the word cattle gut. Gut strings are made from sheep or goat intestines, in the past even from horse, mule or donkey intestines.

Otherwise it could be from the word kitgut or kitstring. Kit meant fiddle, not kitten.



These users thanked the author Colin North for the post: Treenewt (Fri Jul 12, 2024 7:20 am)
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2024 12:46 pm 
Offline
Cocobolo
Cocobolo
User avatar

Joined: Thu May 06, 2010 2:03 am
Posts: 121
First name: Zac
Last Name: Stout
City: Floyd
State: VA
Zip/Postal Code: 24091
Country: United States
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
Black limba is an excellent tonewood! I’ve used it in two instruments so far with great results and I plan on building many more with it. As Colin already noted, I’ve found it to be a drop in substitute for mahogany in both tonal qualities and workability. Pricewise, it’s on the lower end of the spectrum as well. I’m finding the price of a back and side set to be in the $100-150 range, but if you have resaw capability the lumber is available much cheaper - I bought a beautiful board for $100 last year that should yield 5 or 6 guitar sets.

The D-18 I built is about 4 years old now and has developed into a powerful flatpicking guitar with the same quick attack and decay you’ll get from a good mahogany dreadnought. The weissenborn is a little over 2 years old and has a warm, woody tone that just sounds so sweet when played with the steel slide.

When building my weissenborn, I didn’t have a side mold for my bending machine and attempted to bend by hand on the hot pipe. Under the advice of a friend, I soaked the sides for a few minutes before bending and developed deep rippling across the grain that rendered the sides unusable. I made a mold and bent my second set on the bender with a light spritz of water on the wood and the paper envelope and the results were perfect. Sample size of one, but it would seem that bending on the dryer side yields better results.

Attachment:
IMG_1667.jpg

Attachment:
IMG_1668.jpg

Attachment:
IMG_1662.jpg

Attachment:
IMG_1664.jpg



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk


You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.



These users thanked the author Zac Stout for the post (total 2): Pmaj7 (Tue Jul 16, 2024 8:23 pm) • bcombs510 (Mon Jul 15, 2024 2:03 pm)
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2024 12:48 pm 
Offline
Cocobolo
Cocobolo
User avatar

Joined: Thu May 06, 2010 2:03 am
Posts: 121
First name: Zac
Last Name: Stout
City: Floyd
State: VA
Zip/Postal Code: 24091
Country: United States
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
Sorry for the repeat pics in the last post, not sure how that occurred!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2024 2:03 pm 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jul 27, 2015 8:21 am
Posts: 3594
First name: Brad
Last Name: Combs
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
I got to hear / play the weissenborn a couple years ago. It sounded great!

_________________
Insta - https://www.instagram.com/cbcguitars/
Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/cbcguitars



These users thanked the author bcombs510 for the post: Zac Stout (Mon Jul 15, 2024 3:55 pm)
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2024 4:21 pm 
Offline
Walnut
Walnut

Joined: Wed Feb 04, 2015 12:22 pm
Posts: 14
First name: Matthew
Last Name: Dalton
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
Zac, both of those are beautiful instruments! Well done!

I had a nightmare of a time bending my first set of Black Limba on my very first build, but had no trouble at all with the most recent. I went with a spritz of water on the side, (slat-aluminium foil-side-aluminium foil-blanket-slat) and they bent like a dream. My first guitar has a black limba neck and it's held up nicely.



These users thanked the author Treenewt for the post (total 2): Pmaj7 (Tue Jul 16, 2024 8:24 pm) • Zac Stout (Mon Jul 15, 2024 6:52 pm)
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2024 4:27 pm 
Offline
Koa
Koa

Joined: Mon Oct 17, 2011 4:10 pm
Posts: 721
First name: Bob
Last Name: Gramann
City: Fredericksburg
State: VA
Zip/Postal Code: 22408
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Status: Professional
I am glad to hear all of these positive statements about Black Limba. I’ve obtained another set—the new one looks even better than the side I broke. I think I have a plank coming from which I can cut new sides, so I’ll end up with two Black Limba guitars. StewMac had some neck planks for sale, so I’ll have matching neck wood as well. I look forward to continuing on this guitar. Thank you to all.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:07 pm 
Offline
Koa
Koa
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jun 22, 2014 1:45 pm
Posts: 1483
First name: Michael
Last Name: Colbert
City: Anacortes
State: WA
Focus: Build
This is a Black Limba 28” Baritone Multi-scale


You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.



These users thanked the author Michaeldc for the post (total 3): Treenewt (Tue Jul 16, 2024 1:26 pm) • rbuddy (Tue Jul 16, 2024 9:42 am) • bcombs510 (Tue Jul 16, 2024 1:46 am)
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2024 3:41 am 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jul 10, 2009 4:44 am
Posts: 5492
First name: colin
Last Name: north
Country: Scotland.
Focus: Build
Status: Semi-pro
Nice one Michael, what scale length did you use?

_________________
The name catgut is confusing. There are two explanations for the mix up.

Catgut is an abbreviation of the word cattle gut. Gut strings are made from sheep or goat intestines, in the past even from horse, mule or donkey intestines.

Otherwise it could be from the word kitgut or kitstring. Kit meant fiddle, not kitten.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2024 6:20 am 
Offline
Koa
Koa
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jun 22, 2014 1:45 pm
Posts: 1483
First name: Michael
Last Name: Colbert
City: Anacortes
State: WA
Focus: Build
Colin North wrote:
Nice one Michael, what scale length did you use?


28” over 26-1/2”


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2024 1:26 pm 
Offline
Walnut
Walnut

Joined: Wed Feb 04, 2015 12:22 pm
Posts: 14
First name: Matthew
Last Name: Dalton
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
Michaeldc wrote:
This is a Black Limba 28” Baritone Multi-scale


That is beautiful! Did you use Wenge for the neck?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2024 7:23 pm 
Offline
Koa
Koa
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jun 22, 2014 1:45 pm
Posts: 1483
First name: Michael
Last Name: Colbert
City: Anacortes
State: WA
Focus: Build
Treenewt wrote:
Michaeldc wrote:
This is a Black Limba 28” Baritone Multi-scale


That is beautiful! Did you use Wenge for the neck?


Thanks!

No, it’s ebonized sapele.



These users thanked the author Michaeldc for the post: Treenewt (Wed Jul 17, 2024 10:49 am)
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2024 10:59 pm 
Offline
Cocobolo
Cocobolo

Joined: Fri Nov 02, 2007 2:53 pm
Posts: 480
Location: Canada
I've got a few 8/4 boards of Limba, but I haven't resawed any back and side sets yet. I bought these a few years ago on the recommendation of Tim McKnight. He's used it many times and says it's ideal replacement for Mahogany. Black Limba and White Limba come from the same tree, it's just cosmetic.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2024 2:29 am 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jul 10, 2009 4:44 am
Posts: 5492
First name: colin
Last Name: north
Country: Scotland.
Focus: Build
Status: Semi-pro
Yes, cosmetic, but seem to be spalting. In some places mine was very soft requiring CA to firm it up for finishing as it just kept soaking up the finish like a sponge.

_________________
The name catgut is confusing. There are two explanations for the mix up.

Catgut is an abbreviation of the word cattle gut. Gut strings are made from sheep or goat intestines, in the past even from horse, mule or donkey intestines.

Otherwise it could be from the word kitgut or kitstring. Kit meant fiddle, not kitten.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 20 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Tim McKnight and 46 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
phpBB customization services by 2by2host.com